Introducing Vaestism (Fatalism)

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Re: Introducing Vaestism (Fatalism)

Postby Vince » Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:08 pm

The banner-state is a modern phenomenon which derives from the banners that existed during the Neritsovid Empire. After the power of Emperor of the Vesnites was merged with the position of Universal Prophet, the empire existed at that supreme level which allowed the use of Banners for internal organisation. The Zemayan Banner was created during the death throes of the Universal Prophet position, when that aspect was becoming irrelevant anyway -- other than that I don't think any new banners have been created since (#28 is probably not recognised by the Prysostaia for the reasons we've been outlining elsewhere). Some have been eliminated (e.g. the Lefdic).
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Re: Introducing Vaestism (Fatalism)

Postby Shaun » Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:25 pm

Ah, OK, so standard bearers weren't necessarily synonymous with the leader of a state in the early goings-on?

For instance, I was under the assumption that the 1636 Recognition of Veastism in Luto meant that the Emperor basically took on the mantle of Standard Bearer then. COuld it be that that is not necessarily so?
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Re: Introducing Vaestism (Fatalism)

Postby Vince » Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:55 pm

The idea of "the state" wasn't conceptualised until probably the late 17th century.
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Re: Introducing Vaestism (Fatalism)

Postby Shaun » Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:11 am

Should we be thinking more "feudal'-ish, then?
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Re: Introducing Vaestism (Fatalism)

Postby Vince » Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:03 pm

There is "Kunentsyism" but the idea underpinning it isn't really analogous to feudalism. I'd say the key thing to realise here is that in the Vaestic conception, the Banner is the political community. The Standard-Bearer is by definition the "head of state", if you like, and whoever practices effective power is delegated that power by them. The innovation of the banner-state is in the idea of sovereignty, where each Banner becomes its own recognised, autonomous community.
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